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		<title>Comment on NOMADIC RECOGNITION, A COMMONS OF THE IMAGINATION   By Martin Shaw by Rebecca Lowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Lowe</dc:creator>
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		<description>What a great little gift hidden in your reply to Danny, some of these foundational stones of storytelling. When in college studying theatre, my theatre history professor told me, it takes 20 years to make an actor. It did. I haven&#039;t acted much in the last 10 years, though...I got dowsed in the rivers of Caroline Casey, then Robert Bly, Martin Prechtel, Gioia Timpanelli...and there has been writing and priestessing and caring for my family. And I feared Time, and wore away time, but all the while a story has travelled with me, shadowing me, waiting for me to stop and acknowledge Her. More work on our relationship is needed, but She is speaking to me still, and feeling not just the teacher, but a Being who wants to see me dance with Her.
I look forward to meeting you in person one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great little gift hidden in your reply to Danny, some of these foundational stones of storytelling. When in college studying theatre, my theatre history professor told me, it takes 20 years to make an actor. It did. I haven&#8217;t acted much in the last 10 years, though&#8230;I got dowsed in the rivers of Caroline Casey, then Robert Bly, Martin Prechtel, Gioia Timpanelli&#8230;and there has been writing and priestessing and caring for my family. And I feared Time, and wore away time, but all the while a story has travelled with me, shadowing me, waiting for me to stop and acknowledge Her. More work on our relationship is needed, but She is speaking to me still, and feeling not just the teacher, but a Being who wants to see me dance with Her.<br />
I look forward to meeting you in person one day.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NOMADIC RECOGNITION, A COMMONS OF THE IMAGINATION   By Martin Shaw by martin shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you goat footed man. Ice, boulders and white bears, what&#039;s not to love?</description>
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		<title>Comment on NOMADIC RECOGNITION, A COMMONS OF THE IMAGINATION   By Martin Shaw by martin shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pleasure - I am preparing in the epilogue of another book - my telling and commentary on the Grail epic Parzival, what i&#039;ve called &#039;foundational stones&#039; towards mythtelling. Not as utterly definitive but simply as pointers towards further study and awakening by the reader. Here is a tiny segment from the part on story as beasty. I will place the whole section in essay form here at some point soon. Some lovely and probing thoughts in your comments - especially the migratory aspect. It relates entirely to nomadic recognition - most nomadic routes follow a migratory pattern.

STORY IS A SHARP KNIFE
A story is a spirit-being, not repertoire, allegory, or a form of psychology. If a story decides to be told by you, then here is a couple of suggestions for establishing a significant level of respect. One, feed it. Literally feed it. Leave it a glass of something lovely – maybe a shot of Ardbeg whisky and an oat biscuit and good honey. Leave it in the same place every time so the stories know where to go to receive the gifts. Building a small wooden story hut with delicate engravings could be a start. Two, study it. Look at as many versions of the story throughout culture as you can find. If it talks about a whale road or a sword fight then go to the ocean or take up fencing – follow its leads. This pursuit is a sign of respect, that you take the story seriously. Just don’t mistake that research or lines on paper as where the story really lives. It’s more a gesture of decency and readyness.

If it really wants you to tell it, you should find that you can inhabit the rough characters of everyone in it, including animals. If you can’t, it may be a clue to wait a while. Stories are not about a lightning quick performative rendering: I cooked in one story for fifteen years before I considered uttering a word of it.

Get to know your own inner weather – if you are a generally placid, loving sort, then leaving a mug of red beer out for the spirit of Beowulf may be a tricky fit, although at the same time it could bring out depths unimagined. But any audience will sense in a spilt-second any disconnect between you and the textures of the narrative. It’s rather like a lump like me trying to wade through the Bhagavad Gita. Stories are not at ‘our disposal’ in this way, that’s a reckless idea.

Recently the storyteller Robin Williamson – Chief Bard of the order of Bards, Ovates and Druid, sat in my house with a harp and talked for six hours straight on the four branches of the Mabinogion. What became clear was how unfitting the word ‘voice’ was for what came out of his mouth. After almost seventy years on the planet, it is at turns raspy, angelic, guttural, cackly and melodic. It makes jumpy turns at very unusual moments. It is a gravel creek bed that the salmon of insight lays its eggs in. The old ones say that the more time you spend in the Otherworld then the stronger your voice is. So for mythtellers, that is the place to go.

So check your cadence out, your accent, your vocal dance. If young, don’t beat yourself up about it being lively and high, life will rub that off, there is no need to hurry. Mythtelling points towards the vitality of the elders - keen as us younger ones may be, something unfurls with age that we can’t ignore.

So we could be like Finnegas waiting for the salmon by the Boyne, with patience and good humour, abiding in the music of ‘what is’.

Our voice is part of our own personal eco system. Contained within it are differing tribal groups. The cadence of our family and region, inflections brutally introduced by television (even children in Devon now use the syntax of Australian soaps, every sentence ending up high, as if you are asking a question), or words influenced by workmates, travel or university. Within just one storyteller’s voice is a convergence of ancestral, regional and enforced influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pleasure &#8211; I am preparing in the epilogue of another book &#8211; my telling and commentary on the Grail epic Parzival, what i&#8217;ve called &#8216;foundational stones&#8217; towards mythtelling. Not as utterly definitive but simply as pointers towards further study and awakening by the reader. Here is a tiny segment from the part on story as beasty. I will place the whole section in essay form here at some point soon. Some lovely and probing thoughts in your comments &#8211; especially the migratory aspect. It relates entirely to nomadic recognition &#8211; most nomadic routes follow a migratory pattern.</p>
<p>STORY IS A SHARP KNIFE<br />
A story is a spirit-being, not repertoire, allegory, or a form of psychology. If a story decides to be told by you, then here is a couple of suggestions for establishing a significant level of respect. One, feed it. Literally feed it. Leave it a glass of something lovely – maybe a shot of Ardbeg whisky and an oat biscuit and good honey. Leave it in the same place every time so the stories know where to go to receive the gifts. Building a small wooden story hut with delicate engravings could be a start. Two, study it. Look at as many versions of the story throughout culture as you can find. If it talks about a whale road or a sword fight then go to the ocean or take up fencing – follow its leads. This pursuit is a sign of respect, that you take the story seriously. Just don’t mistake that research or lines on paper as where the story really lives. It’s more a gesture of decency and readyness.</p>
<p>If it really wants you to tell it, you should find that you can inhabit the rough characters of everyone in it, including animals. If you can’t, it may be a clue to wait a while. Stories are not about a lightning quick performative rendering: I cooked in one story for fifteen years before I considered uttering a word of it.</p>
<p>Get to know your own inner weather – if you are a generally placid, loving sort, then leaving a mug of red beer out for the spirit of Beowulf may be a tricky fit, although at the same time it could bring out depths unimagined. But any audience will sense in a spilt-second any disconnect between you and the textures of the narrative. It’s rather like a lump like me trying to wade through the Bhagavad Gita. Stories are not at ‘our disposal’ in this way, that’s a reckless idea.</p>
<p>Recently the storyteller Robin Williamson – Chief Bard of the order of Bards, Ovates and Druid, sat in my house with a harp and talked for six hours straight on the four branches of the Mabinogion. What became clear was how unfitting the word ‘voice’ was for what came out of his mouth. After almost seventy years on the planet, it is at turns raspy, angelic, guttural, cackly and melodic. It makes jumpy turns at very unusual moments. It is a gravel creek bed that the salmon of insight lays its eggs in. The old ones say that the more time you spend in the Otherworld then the stronger your voice is. So for mythtellers, that is the place to go.</p>
<p>So check your cadence out, your accent, your vocal dance. If young, don’t beat yourself up about it being lively and high, life will rub that off, there is no need to hurry. Mythtelling points towards the vitality of the elders &#8211; keen as us younger ones may be, something unfurls with age that we can’t ignore.</p>
<p>So we could be like Finnegas waiting for the salmon by the Boyne, with patience and good humour, abiding in the music of ‘what is’.</p>
<p>Our voice is part of our own personal eco system. Contained within it are differing tribal groups. The cadence of our family and region, inflections brutally introduced by television (even children in Devon now use the syntax of Australian soaps, every sentence ending up high, as if you are asking a question), or words influenced by workmates, travel or university. Within just one storyteller’s voice is a convergence of ancestral, regional and enforced influence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NOMADIC RECOGNITION, A COMMONS OF THE IMAGINATION   By Martin Shaw by Henry Braun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mythtelling about a Hugh Rock in the Wilderness

It sees nothing where it has been seen
by all eyes in the climax forests
that pass in slow succession after fires.
Even the white bear may have known it
glazed by the last touch of the glacier
that, miles away, broke it off the mountain.
The story of its roll down here
to this surprising presence,
its ride with the field of stones
that made Maine hard to farm, and again hard,
is soon told.
                       I take this boulder as a landmark
and pass by
in the deep woods on my road to friends.
to this surprising presence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mythtelling about a Hugh Rock in the Wilderness</p>
<p>It sees nothing where it has been seen<br />
by all eyes in the climax forests<br />
that pass in slow succession after fires.<br />
Even the white bear may have known it<br />
glazed by the last touch of the glacier<br />
that, miles away, broke it off the mountain.<br />
The story of its roll down here<br />
to this surprising presence,<br />
its ride with the field of stones<br />
that made Maine hard to farm, and again hard,<br />
is soon told.<br />
                       I take this boulder as a landmark<br />
and pass by<br />
in the deep woods on my road to friends.<br />
to this surprising presence</p>
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		<title>Comment on NOMADIC RECOGNITION, A COMMONS OF THE IMAGINATION   By Martin Shaw by Daniel Deardorff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Deardorff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the notion that the term mythteller is less antropecentric than storyteller. Mythteller also emphasizes that we are working stories that are created collectively over long stretches of time. I&#039;m always shocked when people ask &quot;did you write that story?&quot; Even after I&#039;ve explained what I&#039;m doing and why, people tend to think in terms of authorship. The image you invoke of the storyteller filling a shopping cart full of myths from the oral traditions of the world is slightly horrifying. You and I have spoken about being &lt;em&gt;chosen&lt;/em&gt; by a story. There is great difference in being chosen from one&#039;s amassing a vast collection of tales. I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about how to teach this practice of readying and preparing oneself to be chosen by a story; this preparing I think is central to the practice of the mythteller.
One last thought you&#039;ve provoked is about the myths of place. The image of a myth as an animal is hugely important. I would add that myths are migratory, and as happens with all migratory creatures the range may expand and change. I&#039;m also a big fan of the polygenesis of myth--not to say that diffusion doesn&#039;t happen, of course stories travel and are exchanged--the idea that very similar stories arise in separate times and places seems quite evident to me. Perhaps the commons of imagination is the natural habitat of the mythic image. 
Thanks for this feast of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the notion that the term mythteller is less antropecentric than storyteller. Mythteller also emphasizes that we are working stories that are created collectively over long stretches of time. I&#8217;m always shocked when people ask &#8220;did you write that story?&#8221; Even after I&#8217;ve explained what I&#8217;m doing and why, people tend to think in terms of authorship. The image you invoke of the storyteller filling a shopping cart full of myths from the oral traditions of the world is slightly horrifying. You and I have spoken about being <em>chosen</em> by a story. There is great difference in being chosen from one&#8217;s amassing a vast collection of tales. I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about how to teach this practice of readying and preparing oneself to be chosen by a story; this preparing I think is central to the practice of the mythteller.<br />
One last thought you&#8217;ve provoked is about the myths of place. The image of a myth as an animal is hugely important. I would add that myths are migratory, and as happens with all migratory creatures the range may expand and change. I&#8217;m also a big fan of the polygenesis of myth&#8211;not to say that diffusion doesn&#8217;t happen, of course stories travel and are exchanged&#8211;the idea that very similar stories arise in separate times and places seems quite evident to me. Perhaps the commons of imagination is the natural habitat of the mythic image.<br />
Thanks for this feast of ideas.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Healing Identity &amp; the Survival of Asynchrony by John Wolforth</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wolforth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I live on ancient ground in a mythos where William Blake, Black Elk, and Lao Tzu stand side by side as elders...&quot; If only more of us would read more than just one good book. Well put Danny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I live on ancient ground in a mythos where William Blake, Black Elk, and Lao Tzu stand side by side as elders&#8230;&#8221; If only more of us would read more than just one good book. Well put Danny.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Healing Identity &amp; the Survival of Asynchrony by Tom Hirons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hirons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent! Thanks for this nutshell, this whipcrack to wake me up from the winter-snoozing. This is an arrow in the plump sadnesses of unsouled living. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! Thanks for this nutshell, this whipcrack to wake me up from the winter-snoozing. This is an arrow in the plump sadnesses of unsouled living. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Healing Identity &amp; the Survival of Asynchrony by Devan Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devan Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 07:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is beautiful Danny! Thank you for doing what you do!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Archegestic Resonance, Rites of Passage, and the Dancing Ground of Radical Uncertainty by Daniel Deardorff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Deardorff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ben,
This kind of writing is, as we&#039;ve discussed very risky; the notion at the heart of it a great slippery fish that the net of words may imply but never capture. The risk then is that one may seem to say nothing intelligible at all—so again thank you. 
I am striving to retain notions of embodiment, as with gestic referring to dance, so the peripéteia indicates a leap: &quot;Leaps of thought can be defined as peripeteias or vicissitudes. A peripeteia is an interweaving of events which causes an action to develop in unexpected ways or to conclude in a way which is opposite to how it began.&quot; [Eugenio Barba, &lt;i&gt;A Dictionary of Theatre Anthropology: The Secret Art of the Performer&lt;/I&gt; (London: Routledge, 1991) p. 56.] What I am most interested in is that crucial moment at the center of the initiatory process, the turning point in the soul&#039;s encounter with its own hierophany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ben,<br />
This kind of writing is, as we&#8217;ve discussed very risky; the notion at the heart of it a great slippery fish that the net of words may imply but never capture. The risk then is that one may seem to say nothing intelligible at all—so again thank you.<br />
I am striving to retain notions of embodiment, as with gestic referring to dance, so the peripéteia indicates a leap: &#8220;Leaps of thought can be defined as peripeteias or vicissitudes. A peripeteia is an interweaving of events which causes an action to develop in unexpected ways or to conclude in a way which is opposite to how it began.&#8221; [Eugenio Barba, <i>A Dictionary of Theatre Anthropology: The Secret Art of the Performer</i> (London: Routledge, 1991) p. 56.] What I am most interested in is that crucial moment at the center of the initiatory process, the turning point in the soul&#8217;s encounter with its own hierophany.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Archegestic Resonance, Rites of Passage, and the Dancing Ground of Radical Uncertainty by Ben Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudo&#039;s for a profound piece! 

Can you elaborate on the relationship you make with peripéteia and epistrophé? 

The implication is intriguing. I have some sense of the Hindu notion of a revolving cosmos, Blakes &quot;The Second Coming,&quot; and the mythic departure from the linear that is implied by epistrophé. 

I am also deeply interested in the peripéteia (reversals?) that occur as the image driven mythic-gesture is played out in life (I would also like to see more of what you mean by peripéteia in this context). 

In this article, I am fascinated with how these two notions are connected. It suggests that the cosmos, once one departs from our culture&#039;s more linear sensibility, rightly encompasses an anti-structured and possibly helical reality that a myopic and reductionist worldview is simply ill prepared to entertain. More importantly, one quickly realizes that an evidentiary and purely logical understanding is soon so limited that it can be characterized as much by what it leaves out as what it apprehends. &quot;Softening of the boundaries&quot; opens fissures in the psyche through which all manner of &quot;images&quot; may enter to disrupt a neatly packaged reality. I suspect that this is, in part, what you are after. 

Again, kudo&#039;s for a profound piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudo&#8217;s for a profound piece! </p>
<p>Can you elaborate on the relationship you make with peripéteia and epistrophé? </p>
<p>The implication is intriguing. I have some sense of the Hindu notion of a revolving cosmos, Blakes &#8220;The Second Coming,&#8221; and the mythic departure from the linear that is implied by epistrophé. </p>
<p>I am also deeply interested in the peripéteia (reversals?) that occur as the image driven mythic-gesture is played out in life (I would also like to see more of what you mean by peripéteia in this context). </p>
<p>In this article, I am fascinated with how these two notions are connected. It suggests that the cosmos, once one departs from our culture&#8217;s more linear sensibility, rightly encompasses an anti-structured and possibly helical reality that a myopic and reductionist worldview is simply ill prepared to entertain. More importantly, one quickly realizes that an evidentiary and purely logical understanding is soon so limited that it can be characterized as much by what it leaves out as what it apprehends. &#8220;Softening of the boundaries&#8221; opens fissures in the psyche through which all manner of &#8220;images&#8221; may enter to disrupt a neatly packaged reality. I suspect that this is, in part, what you are after. </p>
<p>Again, kudo&#8217;s for a profound piece.</p>
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